Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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  • Looper
    Looper   2 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Stephanie H
      Stephanie H  38 minutes back

      I don’t get people that say the last scene was real and not everything else. Like if nothing really happened then how the hell did he have the capacity to kill the psychiatrist? One would say “oh he strangled her” but he literally had blood on his foot. And if that theory was supposedly true he wouldn’t have the capacity to even kill a person.

    • Jon Candy
      Jon Candy  1 days back

      It all happened. Why would he imagine someone else other than himself killing Bruce's parents? Why would he even imagine Bruce or thomas Wayne in the first place? All he wanted in the end was to be noticed and be important, and looked up to. Once he accomplished that he didn't care where he was. He still has a long way to go to become the actual criminal genius mastermind that we all know and love. This movie was just the beginning of the turmoil in Gotham that Batman's whole story is based on.

    • happinesstan
      happinesstan  3 days back

      Most of it. The scene in which he is in the audience at Murray's show (I have my suspicions that Murray's joke may have also been Arthur's delusion, based on the fact that Arthur laughs in time) and his relationship are delusions. The 3 flashback scenes that many complain about, grounds the rest of the story [up to that point] in reality.

      I think the joke is that Arthur has lived a life of obscurity in a society where he doesn't belong, but now that society has placed him where they think he belongs, he will gain notoriety. I'm no Batman aficionado, but it strikes me that Joker's success could be in his ability to manipulate the minds of the criminally insane. As a talented clown he has alreay demonstrated his ability to mesmerise.

      However, I do believe there is one joke aimed at the audience. And that joke is introduced in the scene which introduces the cinema audience [it seems painfully obvious]. In 1981 the audience are watching a 1936 film, named 'Modern Times', laughing, whilst outside the world destroys itself. It reminds me that it is over 40 years since Scorsese entertained us all with his warnings, and yet here we are again.

      Top film.

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover  4 days back

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace  5 days back

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

  • S Paea
    S Paea  11 minutes back

    Marvel Universe: this is ours.
    DC Black: we're see in 24 months.

    • boshankers12
      boshankers12  36 minutes back

      In my opinion, this is a perfect movie. Please Todd, don’t ruin it by trying to be too creative and artsy with the meaning behind the movie.

      • Nino Romanazzi
        Nino Romanazzi  2 hours back

        If it was all made up. The Wayne murders must of been true

        • Jesse DeVries
          Jesse DeVries  3 hours back

          I highly doubt the everything made up theory and hes not the joker will never be the "canon" choice so to speak. That cliche is over done and has never made people happy.

          I dont think all of it was true but yes I think arthur is the real joker, him saying u dont get it at the end, the camera pans to bruce wayne. Hes implying that in the moment where he created his true self "joker" he also created his arch nemesis at the same time. Scene at the end takes place on the future, and the movie is him remember how he got there.

          • ExplosiveSneeze
            ExplosiveSneeze  3 hours back

            In my opinion this movie is ruined if it’s just some random guy making this story up in his head

            • The Wastelander
              The Wastelander  3 hours back

              3:18 "No, definetely not" but he nods...

              • Ross Is Lost
                Ross Is Lost  4 hours back

       basically, we now have to change the name of this movie to "JOKER??...maybe?"

                • Misanthropy Rex
                  Misanthropy Rex  5 hours back

                  This film is a masterpiece, as far as I am concerned. Joaquin Phoenix is phenomenal. As someone who suffers from mental illness, this was both painful and enlightening to watch. Hopefully more people will understand the pain that Arthur Fleck went through

                  • OutatimeTV
                    OutatimeTV  5 hours back

                    God I hope he’s actually the joker. I’m gonna be so upset if he’s not

                    • Matejko108
                      Matejko108  7 hours back

                      I think the point is that we don't know what events really happened and what is just part of his delusion because he doesn't know himself. because we are put in his point of view, and he himself doesn't know what really happened because he's losing his grip on reality. Fantasy and reality merges for him. This is the oirigin story as experienced/remembered from the Joker's perspective. That's why we won't ever know 'what really happened', but only how it was experienced and how it is rememberred subjectivelly by a psychotic.

                      • Kurtis Power
                        Kurtis Power  8 hours back

                        The movie was made so well I left thinking wow what a great character building movie! And now it’s taken away from me :(

                        • Gambit Bronson
                          Gambit Bronson  10 hours back

                          “If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!” - Joker, The Killing Joke

                          • Jasmine Gayle
                            Jasmine Gayle  13 hours back

                            I love this interpretation. I think they're waiting to see if the Joker figures out that it's been about them all along, and then the response to that realization.

                            • Light Screening
                              Light Screening  18 hours back

                              True, not true, multiple choice or not it's a great story that raises several social and political questions... Couldn't escape them when I reviewed it.

                              • Omniscience
                                Omniscience  19 hours back

                                I think the joke was that: Joker created Batman

                                • Παναγιώτης Δημ. Τσιγκρής

                                  A very good movie inspired you to have a good yogurt and fresh tomatoes to throw on the big screen!!!

                                  • Bicey
                                    Bicey  21 hours back

                                    If the whole movie is just a random crazy person in Arkham Asylum, I will be very, very disappointed. I wanted to see a movie about Joker.. not some random nutcase playing make believe in his head.

                                    • Ett Gammalt Bergtroll
                                      Ett Gammalt Bergtroll  22 hours back

                                      That would literally ruin the movie if true.

                                      • Degal 76
                                        Degal 76  23 hours back


                                        • N3AUDIO
                                          N3AUDIO  1 days back

                                          How can I dislike this video MORE than one time?

                                          • TheColossalBlanket
                                            TheColossalBlanket  1 days back

                                            God I hope it isn't a whole 'it was all in his head' thing. That should've started and ended with fight club.

                                            • Joesefsky 12354
                                              Joesefsky 12354  1 days back

                                              Has anyone found the name of the background music in this video?

                                              • Deepfire67
                                                Deepfire67  1 days back

                                                They can tell us what they actually meant for it to be, or we can all just agree to keep it as Arthur actually being The Joker and all of this actually happened

                                                • Daniel Pfeifer
                                                  Daniel Pfeifer  1 days back

                                                  Notice that the train he was sitting in in the scene were he allegedly bothered this ladys kid and at the end were looking quite similar? Maybe this was the point where he started fantasising because he was bored and wasnt allowed to make the kid laught anymore sk he just thought abkut what makes himself laugh

                                                  • Konrad Wawrzyniak
                                                    Konrad Wawrzyniak  1 days back

                                                    I like to think a final joke is something like: "What you get if you cross an elite boy with a hateful, lost society that killed his parents in front of him?".

                                                    I mean, at the final scene in Arkham Asylum there is a picture of young Bruce standing clueless behind his dead parents, while Joker's laughing background. That is an only picture showed, besides current time situation in hospital. It must means something and surely is connected with a joke.

                                                    Theory that a whole plot was a joke is a joke itself. Must be. But of course there are arguments in favor of it. Matter of interpretation. Those who don't want to see a problem presented, maybe will take it. And I hope that will be only the Academy, cause otherwise I'm really concerned about Oscar's rewarding fairness this year.

                                                    Media lost it's way.

                                                    • Ceedot
                                                      Ceedot  1 days back

                                                      If they make a movie so groundbreaking then do nothing else with the story and then they're just as stupid as justice league haha, Phoenix was the perfect role

                                                      • Omar Refaat
                                                        Omar Refaat  1 days back

                                                        I don't think that he is THE JOKER at least it's not the movie name, it was clear as crystal '' Joker '' . I think he is a joker who fooled us with this big joke of being the real JOKER.

                                                        • Gábor Lengyel
                                                          Gábor Lengyel  1 days back

                                                          People have to just STOP considering this “nothing was real” bullshit. In the Killing Joke, Arthur the bad comedian turns into Joker, so it’s exactly what happened in the movie as well. The only things that were imagined were the Sophie interactions and him appearing on the Murray Franklin Show.

                                                          • Jon Candy
                                                            Jon Candy  1 days back

                                                            Lol i think at the end he just has nowhere to go so they find him and send him to Arkham. He's not the joker yet either way. The joker is a criminal geniud mastermind, and he wasn't quite there yet. I believe he needs a little Arkham to complete his transition. Maybe he'll meet a few friends there as well.

                                                            • Carlos Fernandez
                                                              Carlos Fernandez  1 days back

                                                              So cool

                                                              • S.C
                                                                S.C  1 days back

                                                                Can't figure why time 11:11 appears on clocks at least 3 times: the first therapy session, asylum flasback and on the time card thing. Any theories? Phillips sort of said two times is a coincidence but we don't think so

                                                                • David Solomie
                                                                  David Solomie  1 days back

                                                                  It's simple. Joker realised that the chain of events that he kickstarted ended with Thomas Wayne's death. He finds it funny that he indirectly killed Thomas.

                                                                  • Pobzify
                                                                    Pobzify  1 days back

                                                                    I don't care if Joaquin's Joker is gonna have a face-off with Batman or not, just give us a sequel!!! 😂

                                                                    • Testus Test
                                                                      Testus Test  1 days back

                                                                      Thomas Wayne:
                                                                      "...those of us who´ve made a good life for ourselves will always look at those who haven´t as nothing but clowns"

                                                                      Bruce Wayne:
                                                                      "As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

                                                                      "C´mon, Murray, do I look like the kind of clown who could start a movement?"

                                                                      • Dark Chocolate
                                                                        Dark Chocolate  1 days back

                                                                        It's just a movie, geez. None of it really happened. Just watch it and enjoy.

                                                                        • PolarPhantom
                                                                          PolarPhantom  1 days back

                                                                          "This is an imaginary story.

                                                                          "Aren't they all?"

                                                                          • Curlieq55
                                                                            Curlieq55  1 days back

                                                                            Well, he can’t be the Joker as Batman’s nemesis because of the age difference between Arthur and Bruce Wayne. I feel that the movie’s real takeaway is how society treats its mentally ill and its lower middle class to poor. Joker was just the vehicle.

                                                                            • Siddhant Upadhyay
                                                                              Siddhant Upadhyay  2 days back

                                                                              I hope the killings were not a imagination because he is a DC villain for god’s sake

                                                                              • Peter Krug
                                                                                Peter Krug  2 days back

                                                                                Other than the scene we see early on where Arthur is on Murrays show and Murray hugs him (which I think is pretty obvious just Arthurs fantasy) I assumed every scene in the film was supposed to have really happened. (In the films fictional world, that is.)

                                                                                • DRE Dre
                                                                                  DRE Dre  2 days back

                                                                                  Maybe r a k i m' s character inspired the joker

                                                                                  • DogeBread
                                                                                    DogeBread  2 days back


                                                                                    • arno olv
                                                                                      arno olv  2 days back

                                                                                      Then why is this a DC movie if isn’t in anyway related to the Joker.

                                                                                      • Joe Second
                                                                                        Joe Second  2 days back

                                                                                        Arthur is roughly 35 years older than Bruce in this world. This joker would be 80 by the time Batman is Batman.

                                                                                        • oskari lepisto
                                                                                          oskari lepisto  2 days back

                                                                                          why cant this movie just be a true story about the 1 and only joker

                                                                                          • Daniele Manno
                                                                                            Daniele Manno  2 days back

                                                                                            Great video

                                                                                            • ShockwaveDawn
                                                                                              ShockwaveDawn  2 days back

                                                                                              I was thinking a lot about "Gotham" (the show), where the backstory of the Joker is also presented, but also with the idea that the Joker comes from seeing the events happening around him, rather than actually being part of the events. In "Gotham" the character of Jerome also inspires the people to become "Jokers", and so it's implied - although we never see the actual Joker - that he was influenced by a maniac and so came to be, still without us knowing his actual background.

                                                                                              • St Pietro
                                                                                                St Pietro  2 days back

                                                                                                This is a really good movie but if they’re not connecting it to the new Batman it was a waste. The problem with the dceu is that they can’t keep an actor and make the movies connect. I hope they reevaluate and connect this with the new Batman movie. I don’t want to have to watch shitty marvel movies